What were the surnames associated with William the Conqueror? To start, who was William the Conqueror? William the ‘bastard’ was born about 1028 in Normandy, the illegitimate son of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, and Herleva. William was the 3rd great grandson of Rollo, the Viking who harassed the French so much that they gave him Normandy in order to make him stop.
In 1066, when King Edward ‘the confessor’ of England died, William was a potential heir to the English crown. When he didn’t get the nod, he took the crown by force by defeating and killing King Harold at the Battle of Hastings.
Finding the DNA of William the Conqueror is not that easy. He has no documented living male-line descendants. King Henry I was his last legitimate offspring. If you look in the phone book, you won’t find too many names listed under Conqueror, William T. That makes asking for a DNA sample problematic.
We have to look at the entire line of Dukes from the House of Normandy to identify the surnames that they would eventually adopt. The line from Rollo to William looks like this – Rollo (846-931) > William I (900-942) > Richard I (933-996) > Richard II (978-1026) > Robert I (1000-1035) > William II (1028-1087). To start, there is some evidence, true or not, that the surnames Clifford, Devereaux and St. Clair have a direct connection back to Richard I and Richard II. It’s not my goal to prove anyone’s genealogy. Many medieval genealogies are pure fiction, geneamyth. Although, with ever story there may be a piece of the truth. Some of William’s companions at the Battle of Hastings were his cousins and it would have made sense for him to surround himself with kin. I collected those names and others that had a tenuous connection.
I began the process with the following 27 names; Bartelott, Beaumont, Bruce, Clifford, Corbett, D’Arcy, Devereaux, Giffard, Hereford, Lindsay, Molyneaux, Montgomery, Mortimer, Mowbray, Neville, Norman, Norton, Osbern, Pearsall, Ramsey, Spencer, St. Clair, Stewart, Sutton, Talbott, Umfreville and Warren. While this is not an exhaustive list, it did provide 3,800 records to sift through.
DNA records for these surnames were collected from publically available sources and sorted into haplogroups. Remember, everyone is related. It’s just a question of how far back in time they share a common ancestor. Members of haplogroups I and J may share an ancestor about 30,000 years ago, but my goal is to find as many surnames that have a common ancestor about 1,000 years ago. So, DNA comparison was limited to within haplogroups. Immediately, groups E1b, G2a, I2, J and R1a were eliminated for having no cross surname relationships.
The first likely candidate was haplogroup I1. I1 would make sense. It is a typical Scandinavian group and Rollo is supposed to be either Norwegian or Danish. There was some good cross surname relationships among 8 of the 27 surnames. More analysis showed that they didn’t form a tight clan and that their common ancestor would have been over 1,250 years ago. That predates Rollo. This doesn’t completely rule out haplogroup I1, but my expectation was that there would be a higher number of surnames and a common ancestor between Rollo and William.
The next candidate was group R1b, the most populous haplogroup in Europe and having a potential Scandinavian or continental Europe origin. This group clustered well across 25 of the 27 surnames and revealed a genetically related clan. To make sure that this wasn’t a false positive or something symptomatic about the large R1b population, I took a random sample of British Isles R1b y-DNA and ran the same comparison. The random sample did not group well and actually formed multiple clusters.
The odd thing about this second group of names is that they all, genealogically, connect back to Gunnora, wife/concubine of Richard I. Beaumont and Giffard are descendants of Duvelina, a sister of Gunnora. Osbern is a descendant of Herfast, a brother of Gunnora. None of this common y-DNA came from Gunnora or her sister; being female, they don’t have y-DNA to pass down. We have to look for a common male donor. My theory is that the practice of droit du seigneur – ‘right of the lord’ or primae noctis – ‘right of the first night’ was being used by Richard to increase his genetic success.
Do you have a connection to William the Conqueror? There is an estimate that 25% of the population of England is related to Bill the Conq. From a y-DNA perspective, this percentage would be lower. If you have one of these surnames; Bartelott, Beaumont, Bruce, Clifford, Corbett, D’Arcy, Devereaux, Giffard, Molyneaux, Montgomery, Mortimer, Norton, Osbern, Pearsall, Ramsey, Spencer, St. Clair, Stewart, Talbott, Umfreville (Humphrey) or Warren and match the 37-marker William the Conqueror Modal Haplotype (WCMH), you may be related.
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DYS426
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DYS439
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13
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24
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14
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11
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11
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14
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12
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12
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12
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13
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13
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29
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25
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29
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17
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11
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You might match the WCMH within a few steps and not have one of those surnames. The wealthy practiced polygyny. They had as many mistresses as they could afford. The illegitimate male offspring would have generated countless undocumented surnames and carry these same y-DNA markers.
I can’t say that this is exactly William the Conqueror’s Y-DNA markers. These values are a mode, the numbers that appear most frequently in the related R1b sample of 152 records. The results that I have found are based on my analysis of about 3,800 y-DNA samples and form a good correlation. New data in the future may change the results.
The techniques that I have used are similar to the ones used to identify Carthaigh (McCarthy King of Desmond), Niall of the Nine Hostages and Genghis Khan. I predict that as the DNA databases grow, more discoveries like this will be found. My next projects are to determine Rollo’s origin and Charlemagne’s haplotype.
Reference:
Maglio, MR (2013) A Y-Chromosome Signature of Polygyny in Norman England (
Link)
©Michael R. Maglio and OriginsDNA
Hi. Nice work. Have you ever compared the haplotype of Niall of the Nine Hostages to Bill the Conq.?
ReplyDeleteHi Chad,
DeleteYes, Niall and Bill share a common ancestor just over 2,500 years ago, Most likely that ancestor lived in continental Europe prior to R-P312 branching into the British Isles and Scandinavia.
Thanks,
Mike
Mike, thanks for swift reply. You're awesome. Hope you don't mind if I ask a few more questions. Does this mean that Niall and Bill were "related"? Is the M-222 snp a branch of Bill's family? Did Bill have any surviving Y-DNA?
ReplyDeleteNiall and Bill were related, but very distantly. We are all related. It's just a matter of distance. Niall's family is well defined by R-M222. There is no R-M222 in the Norman dynasty data (William to Rollo) that I investigated. They do share a R-DF13 ancestor, probably 2,500 years ago.
DeleteMy data was from William the Conqueror cousins. I was not able to identify any direct descendant DNA.
Thanks
Interesting. I was just noticing the similarities in the M-222 and your modal haplotype. What does this indicate to you? What is the significance? Is that because they are distantly related? Also, my paternal grandmother is a Humphreys and always anecdotally claimed relation to Bill. Any suggestions on how to proceed with that line of inquiry? Again, I really appreciate your info. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteThe similarity in the O'Neill and Normandy modals is because they are distantly related. There was one R-DF13 haplotype that has diverged over time.
DeleteYour Humphreys could be related to the Umfreville line that I have in my study. To proceed you would need a yDNA test on one of your male Humphrey cousins (if they exist).
Thanks,
Mike
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ReplyDeleteWilliam the Conqueror’s DNA mode and our dna is very close. King Warmund
ReplyDeleteWilliam the Conqueror’s DNA mode and our dna is very close. King Warmund
ReplyDeleteWilliam the Conqueror’s DNA mode and our dna at 67 are very close King Waermund.
ReplyDeleteI', very curious about the surname Gray, all the digging puts the crossing from Normandy with 'Bill', yet i'm not seeing them listed on any of the genetic lists.All my digging ends with the name Anschatel Groy, who settled in Chillingham Castle after the conquest... which leads me think that surely, if my ancestors were given a castle, I'd find them. Any help you could provide to my digging would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteI’ve been searching as well and it turns out that the original Norman name is often spelt Croy. This name was given to Fulbert Rolla De Falaise after he was given a castle in Picardy. Becoming Fulbert Croy. He started as a tanner but became chamberlain to Robert duke of Normandy. Fulbert Croy’s daughter herlotta had a child with Robert duke of Normandy outside of wedlock and the child is William the Conqueror. John de Croy was a son of Fulbert Croy and his son was Anschatel Croy (Groy) a Cousin of William the Conqueror.
DeleteThe spouse of Fulbert Croy (formerly de Falaise) was called Doda de Falaise. Her father was Malcom II King if Scots
25. Walter is the son of Walter (Clifford) de Clifford (abt.1150-abt.1222) [unknown confidence]
ReplyDelete26. Walter is the son of Margaret (Toeni) de Clifford (abt.1113-bef.1185) [uncertain]
27. Margaret is the daughter of Adelise (Huntingdon) de Tony (abt.1074-abt.1126) [uncertain]
28. Adelise is the daughter of Judith (Lens) of Lens (abt.1054-abt.1090) [unknown confidence]
29. Judith is the daughter of Adelais (Normandie) de Lens (bef.1035-bef.1096) [unknown confidence]
30. Adelais is the daughter of Herlève (Falaise) de Mortain (abt.1003-abt.1055) [uncertain]
31. Herlève is the daughter of Fulbert (Falaise) de Falaise (abt.0978-abt.1022) [uncertain]
This makes Fulbert the 29th great grandfather of William